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Question in the forum:

Just wondering what peoples opinions are. I have never played live yet but am getting ready to. Where are the better players. Live or online? What should I expect. I have no problems with $2\$4 limit full table online and have even tried $5\$$10 successfully albeit for only about 20 minutes.
So with that in mind, what limit should I try live. What type of players should I expect? Will they be better, worse or the same? I ask because I was watching "Live from the Bike" this morning and they were playin $5\$10 and I could not believe the cards these people were playin. Even the commentators called them fish. So with that in mind I look to you guys to point me in the right direction and as always many thanks for your help

my reply:

We have weird casinos here. Most like to spread 3/6 or 4/8 or 4/8 with a kill. The players are almost always horrible. Probably the same as 1/2 online (or worse). I quit going because its a long drive to a casino that spreads bigger games.

Always play at least 4/8. The rake kills ya in smaller games. Str8s and flushies are king cause thats what it takes most of the time to beat all the chasers. sooted connectors and sooted Ax are powerhouses when you hit the flop. Top pr, good kicker sucks in 4-6 way action. And you will see alotta 6 way action.

Just put as many bets in as you can when you have the best of it. They'll follow.

Moving to 6/12 or 8/16 the play improves, but there are still plenty of donks per capita. I enjoy these games much more because you can bluff or re-raise pre and get sum respect. The 8/16 at the Bellagio usually has 3-4 good players and 5-6 bad ones. The bad ones are similar to what you would see at Sun about din din time at 2/4.

Mirage is about the same. Every table is different but those are sum general observations. In Vegas you might find 5 good players at 4/8 (local grinders, usually retirees) but you'll know quick enough if its a bad table. Then move to another table or move up.

You will get much better reads live. Thats the best part. You can intimidate much easier. Many live guys just want callers, I reraise and check raise alot. Watch their sphincters tighten up. Fun.

If you try a bigger game, expect to be nervous. It will take a few hours to feel comfy with bigger bet sizes. Example: My wifeys first 6/12 game. Mirage last May. She was playin great at 4/8 so I talked her into 6/12.

Early on she raised my flop bet to $12 and I reraised to $18. Turn I hit my draw, checked, she bet and I raised to $24 and she raised to $36 and when I went to $48 she got ne ne ne nervous. Thats alotta money for a 4/8 playa. At 4/8 it would be no biggie since she has dun it many times.

It just takes throwin a buncha chips in several time to get use to it. Take some shots at bigger games, get comfy with bigger bets. You'll play tighter at first, thats okay.

Good post from Gumby:
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I would have to say that there are going to be fish anywhere you play. You can see fish playing the $1000/2000 game at the Bellagio. Just because people have money doesn't make them any better at poker.

What I have found, is that there are some tables that play extremely loose and others that play extremely tight at the same poker room. I play 2/4 and have only had 1 losing session playing live. I think playing a tight aggressive style at an loose aggressive table is right. As far as a loose passive table, the best table, I tend to see more flops cheap and make them pay to see the river if I hit my hand or draw. Otherwise, I get out with only $2 lost.

I don't know what casino you are going to play at, but I know that many games are very fishy, no matter what limit you are playing. Within one rotation, you'll find out who the good players are.

Hope this helps!

Good Luck!
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